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2017-08-17 10:33:34 发表 |
想让在中国的基督宗教接受社会主义改造。
看破又说破，不给面子才好玩。 |
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2017-08-17 10:11:48 发表 |
| 宗教的心理功能和社会功能，是我党重点研究的。 |
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2017-08-17 10:08:56 发表 |
| 心灵鸡汤，精神鸦片，舆情引导，宗教有时会被人这样用，这样的人很精明。 |
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2017-08-17 08:14:22 发表 |
| 控制全部媒体，将舆论引导发挥到极致，没有公信力也是白搭。 |
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2017-08-17 06:47:16 发表 |
| 暮夜无人知，天知地知你知我知。 |
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2017-08-17 06:45:04 发表 |
| 秘密协议？是不是像中俄密约或苏德密约那样？不足为外人道？ |
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2017-08-15 17:35:20 发表 |
Vatican official hints at de-facto deal with China on bishops
Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo made the point at Chinese conference on organ donations
Michael Sainsbury, Loikaw
China
August 9, 2017
A senior Vatican official has hinted there is an unofficial agreement between the Holy See and Beijing on the appointment of bishops even as negotiations to formalize arrangements continue to hit roadblocks.
Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, who attended a conference on the sensitive topic of organ donation and transplantation in the southern Chinese city of Kunming, offered the hint during an interview with state-run Global Times on Aug. 4.
"We need to make a distinction between a formal agreement and the real things (that are happening among the public). The real thing is that at this moment China and [the] pope have a very good relation," said Bishop Sorondo.
Observers have been increasingly confident that a process has been put in place as the two sides work towards a formal agreement especially after the appointment of five new bishops in 2015 and 2016 that were jointly recognized by both sides.
But a formal agreement appears to be stuck on three bishops appointed by Beijing who are not recognized by Rome. Two of them are understood to have family relationships inconsistent with the priesthood and another has a cloud over him regarding possible criminal offences.
Still, others have noted the tenuousness of any deal — either official or in practice — with the ruling Communist Party after the talks appeared to slow further during the last round in June and then the Vatican hit out at Beijing for its extra-judicial detention of Bishop Peter Shao Zhumin of Wenzhou.
A process to normalize the appointment of bishops in China, so they are confirmed by both the Vatican and the ruling Communist Party's own non-Rome affiliated Catholic peak bodies, has been at the center of negotiations over three years. The talks were resumed by Pope Francis who has made Asia, and China in particular, a key focus of his papacy after all talks were suspended under his predecessor Benedict XVI around 2009.
Bishop Sorondo also told Global Times that Pope Francis loves China and that the Vatican hopes the country has a great future.
The Vatican is committed to addressing the issue of climate change, which the Chinese people closely follow, and the pope considers very important, the 75-year-old bishop said.
这下可有趣了，怎么天亚社这篇报道的中英文版本差距会那么大？我试将它翻译公诸同好：
标题：梵蒂冈官方暗示与中国就主教问题有实则协议
副题：马尔切洛．索伦多主教在中国器官捐赠会议提出了这一点
迈克尔．塞恩斯伯里，垒固
中国
2017年8月9日
第一段：梵蒂岗高层官员暗示即使就正式安排的谈判仍然遇上障碍，梵蒂岗与北京之间就主教任命问题有一个非正式的协议。
第二段：马尔切洛．索隆多主教出席在云南省昆明市举办的全国人体器官捐献与移植大会，在接受中方官媒《环球时报》访问时，作出这一暗示。
第三段：「我们需要区分正式的协议和（那在公众间正在发生的）事实。那事实就是此时中国与教宗有良好关系，」索隆多主教说。
第四段：观察家越来越有信心，双方努力达成正式协议的情况下，特别是在2015年和2016年5个新主教的任命得到双方共同承认的情况下，已经有了一个进程。
第五段：但正式协议似乎因由北京任命、但不被罗马承认的3名主教而卡住了。他们中有2人据了解拥有与神职身份不一致的家庭关系，另一个人罩着可能有刑事犯罪行为的疑云。
第六段：不过，在6月份最后一轮谈判，加上梵蒂冈抨击北京对温州邵祝敏主教作出法外拘留，谈判似乎进一步放缓之后，其他人指出，与执政共产党作任何正式或实际的交易都是脆弱的。
第七段：中国主教任命正常化的进程，由梵蒂冈和执政共产党自己的非罗马附属天主教顶层机构得到证实，3年来一直是谈判的中心。教宗方济各将亚洲地区，特别是中国，视为他任内的重要焦点，而恢复了在2009年前后，他的前任本笃十六世所暂停的所有谈判。
第八段：索隆多主教也对《环球时报》说，教宗爱中国，而梵蒂岗希望这个国家有美好的未来。
第九段：梵蒂冈致力解决中国人民密切关注的气候变化问题，教宗认为这是非常重要的，这位75岁主教说。
英文版标题和第一段都说这位主教暗示中梵之间有一个秘密协议，而中文版提也不提。
此外，英文版说中梵谈判的障碍是出于三位政府任命而梵蒂冈不承认的主教，换句话说就是非法主教。去年坊间一直流传有两个非法主教有媳妇和孩子，也就见怪不怪，但第三个人可不得了了，说是涉嫌干犯刑事罪！是不是中梵谈判因为这个有刑事罪的非法主教，所以梵方要与北京达成秘密协议？ |
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2017-08-11 00:01:43 发表 |
| 这个办法挺好的，教宗爱中国，参加爱国会，中国教会就合一共融了。 |
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2017-08-10 23:19:09 发表 |
| 域名老换，真麻烦! |
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2017-08-10 22:05:35 发表 |
| 歡迎方濟各教宗參加愛國會，你來做主席。領導俺們愛國愛教 |
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2017-08-10 22:04:20 发表 |
報個到。我又找到你了，天主教在線，讓我找到的好苦啊
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心灵鸡汤，精神鸦片，舆情引导，宗教有时会被人这样用，这样的人很精明。