教宗方济各昨夜(按:7月29日)在里约热内卢乘坐专机飞返罗马，在机舱内会晤传媒，期间有记者问及巴蒂斯塔．里卡蒙席（MonsignorBattista Ricca）及教廷同性恋游说团的问题。以下是该记者的提问与教宗的回应，并附上教宗引用天主教教理中对同性恋教导的全文……
过去一星期教宗方济各到访巴西，在他身上我们看到一位牧者，一位带着希望与和平的使者，他清楚“认识羊身上的气味”，以体贴及怜悯，立了作善牧的好榜样，深深感动了巴西、整个南美洲以至全世界。他强调怜悯胜于一切，走近接触社会的边缘人，关怀活在贫民窟的穷人、戒毒康复中心的年青人、监狱里的青年罪犯、苦痛的病者、与及失落的年轻人，更坚决表示要与活在极度贫穷，致力追求公义与和平的苦难者一起。
在回程专机上，教宗回应对有关离婚、再婚、妇女角色、及同性恋等议题时，应以耶稣基督福音的角度去解读，教会应关注及接触社会的边缘问题，而神职人员要以怜悯、体贴、及宽恕的心怀与群众一起生活。
在圣座专机回程时，记者Ilse对教宗方济各提出下列问题
记者Ilse问:请容许我提出这敏感的问题，就是全球对巴蒂斯塔．里卡蒙席及其私生活的报导。我想知道教宗阁下您对这件事将会做些什么，这事件应当如何处理，以及教宗阁下希望怎样处理同性恋游说团这问题?
教宗的回答如下:
关于巴蒂斯塔．里卡蒙席这事件，我根据圣教法典所定的去跟进，并已作出所须的调查。调查结果找不到对他相关指控的成立，丝毫不存在，这个就是答案。然而，我想在这事情上表明一个观点：我发觉教会很多时候，不单单是这件事，当然这次也不例外，外界想在此搜出“年少过错”的事例，对吗?然后将之公诸于世。这些过错不等同罪行，罪行是另一回事:譬如虐待儿童就是一种罪行。但是对过错来说，如果一个人，不论是在世的神父或修女，曾犯了错并已悔改，获得天主的宽恕。当天主宽恕了过错，就是把过错忘掉，这一点对我们的生命来说很是重要。既然在修和圣事中，当我们真心忏悔道出“我在这事上曾犯了错…”，好让天主宽恕忘掉我们的过错，我们又凭什么不去忘掉它。如果是这样的话，天主也可以不去忘掉我们的过错，这就很可怕了。神学里对过错的理念，其重要性就在于此。很多时候我想到圣伯多禄，他犯了一个至严重的过错:就是曾经否认耶稣基督，然而伯多禄就是带着这过错作为教宗，那么就让我们常常从事件中去多作思考吧。
再次更精确回应你的问题：在巴蒂斯塔．里卡蒙席这事件，我已作了所须的调查，我们什么也找不到。这是你第一个问题的答案。其次你说及的同性恋游说团的问题….唉，关于这方面真的有很多报导。我在梵蒂冈从未看到有人的身分证上写明是同性恋，但外界说这里有同性恋的人存在。当我们面对一个有同性恋倾向的人时，我们切记一个事实，这人是有同性恋倾向，与这人是同性恋游说团中一份子，是两码子事，二者绝不可混为一谈。因为结成游说团就是不好，要不得。如果一个人有同性恋的倾向，他愿意寻找天主并且心里向善，我是谁可以去审判他呢? 有关对同性恋的看法，天主教要理在这方面解释得非常美丽：它说绝不可把同性恋的人边缘化，社会必须接纳他们。
问题不在于一个人有同性恋的倾向，这不是问题的症结，因为我们彼此是弟兄，这就是最基本的原因。问题是有此同性恋倾向的人结成游说团，如贪腐的游说团、玩弄政治的游说团、共济会的游说团、无数的游说团，这对我来说才是最严重不过的问题。在此我非常多谢你提出这问题，衷心感谢!
《天主教教理》
2358. 有为数不少的男女，呈现着天生的同性恋倾向。同性恋并非他们刻意的选择；正是这事实为他们大多数人构成了一种考验。对他们应该以尊重、同情和体贴相待。应该避免对他们有任何不公平的歧视。这些人被召在他们身上实行天主的旨意，如果他们是基督徒，应把他们由于此种情形可能遭遇的困难，与基督十字架上的牺牲结合在一起。
In response to many messages and calls earlier today regarding Pope Francis’ meeting with journalists aboard the return flight to Rome from Rio de Janeiro last night, below is a working transcript of the question about Monsignor Ricca and the gay lobby. I have included the question and the full answer of the Pope in English and the original Italian, as well as the full paragraph from the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality to which the Pope referred.
The powerful and deeply moving visit of Pope Francis to Brazil last week left a deep and lasting impression upon this country as well as on the continent and the entire world. We encountered in the Bishop of Rome a shepherd “who knows the odor of his sheep,” a bearer of hope and peace, and an extraordinary pastoral model of tenderness and mercy. He stressed the necessity of mercy throughout his visit, and reached out to so many people on the peripheries of society. This was especially evident through his visit to the favela, the hospital and drug rehabilitation centre for young people, the meeting with young prisoners, the concern for the sick, and for young people who are broken. He also showed how much he stands in solidarity with those living in extreme poverty and struggling for justice and peace.
His comments on the plane, particularly about the divorced and remarried, women, and homosexuals must be read and understood through the lenses of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the outreach and concern of the Church for those on the fringes, and the mercy, tenderness and forgiveness of a pastor who walks among his people.
The Question to Pope Francis from Ilse, a journalist on the Papal flight
Ilse: I would like to ask permission to pose a rather delicate question. Another image that went around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his personal life. I would like to know, your Holiness, what will be done about this question. How should one deal with this question and how does your Holiness wish to deal with the whole question of the gay lobby?
The Pope’s Answer
Regarding the matter of Monsignor Ricca, I did what Canon Law required and did the required investigation. And from the investigation, we did not find anything corresponding to the accusations against him. We found none of that. That is the answer. But I would like to add one more thing to this: I see that so many times in the Church, apart from this case and also in this case, one looks for the “sins of youth,” for example, is it not thus?, And then these things are published. These things are not crimes. The crimes are something else: child abuse is a crime. But sins, if a person, or secular priest or a nun, has committed a sin and then that person experienced conversion, the Lord forgives and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we go to confession and we truly say “I have sinned in this matter,” the Lord forgets and we do not have the right to not forget because we run the risk that the Lord will not forget our sins, eh? This is a danger. This is what is important: a theology of sin. So many times I think of St. Peter: he committed one of the worst sins denying Christ. And with this sin they made him Pope. We must think about fact often.
But returning to your question more concretely: in this case [Ricca] I did the required investigation and we found nothing. That is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Agh… so much is written about the gay lobby. I have yet to find on a Vatican identity card the word gay. They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good. They are bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully but says, wait a moment, how does it say, it says, these persons must never be marginalized and “they must be integrated into society.”
The problem is not that one has this tendency; no, we must be brothers, this is the first matter. There is another problem, another one: the problem is to form a lobby of those who have this tendency, a lobby of the greedy people, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the most serious problem for me. And thank you so much for doing this question. Thank you very much!
Original transcript in Italian
(Ilse): Vorrei chiedere il permesso di fare una domanda un po’ delicata: anche un’altra immagine ha girato un po’ il mondo, che è stata quella di mons. Ricca e delle notizie sulla sua intimità. Vorrei sapere, Santità, cosa intende fare su questa questione? Come affrontare questa questione e come Sua Santità intende affrontare tutta la questione della lobby gay?
(Papa Francesco): Quello di mons. Ricca: ho fatto quello che il Diritto Canonico manda a fare, che è la investigatio previa. E da questa investigatio non c’è niente di quello di cui l’accusano, non abbiamo trovato niente di quello. Quella è la risposta. Ma io vorrei aggiungere un’altra cosa su questo: io vedo che tante volte nella Chiesa, al di fuori di questo caso ed anche in questo caso, si va a cercare i “peccati di gioventù”, per esempio, no?, e questo si pubblica. Non i delitti, eh? I delitti sono un’altra cosa: l’abuso sui minori è un delitto. No, i peccati. Ma se una persona, laica o prete o suora, ha fatto un peccato e poi si è convertito, il Signore perdona e quando il Signore perdona, il Signore dimentica e questo per la nostra vita è importante. Quando noi andiamo a confessarci e diciamo davvero “Ho peccato in questo”, il Signore dimentica e noi non abbiamo il diritto di non dimenticare, perché abbiamo il rischio che il Signore non si dimentichi dei nostri [peccati] eh? E’ un pericolo quello. Quello è importante: una teologia del peccato. Tante volte penso a San Pietro: ha fatto uno dei peggiori peccati, che è rinnegare Cristo, e con questo peccato lo hanno fatto Papa. Dobbiamo pensare tanto.
Ma tornando alla Sua domanda più concreta: in questo caso, ho fatto l’ivestigatio previa e non abbiamo trovato. Questo è la prima domanda. Poi, Lei parlava della lobby gay: mah… si scrive tanto della lobby gay. Io ancora non ho trovato mi dia la cartella d’identità in Vaticano con “gay”. Dicono che ce ne sono. Credo che quando uno si trova con una persona così, deve distinguere il fatto di essere una persona gay dal fatto di fare una lobby, perché le lobby tutte non sono buone. Quello è il cattivo. Se una persona è gay e cerca il Signore e ha buona volontà, ma chi sono io per giudicarla? Il catechismo della Chiesa cattolica spiega tanto bello questo, ma dice, Aspetta un po’, come si dice…e dice “non si devono emarginare queste persone per questo, devono essere integrate in società”. Il problema non è avere questa tendenza, no: dobbiamo essere fratelli, perché questo è uno, ma se c’è un altro, un altro, il problema è fare lobby di questa tendenza o lobby di avari, lobby di politici, lobby dei massoni, tante lobby. Questo è il problema più grave per me. E La ringrazio tanto per aver fatto questa domanda. Grazie tante!
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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